Discussion:
Interview Under Caution
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Should I be Concerned? >
2007-10-18 12:37:10 UTC
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Hi all,

I have recently received a letter from the CSA telling me that they
believe that I may have committed a criminal offence and that they
want to interview me under caution. As far as I am concerned they are
talking absolute bullsh*t as I have made sure I have broken no rules
and have provided all information as requested. There are a number of
issues I have to resolve, so here I am, hoping for some helpful
answers.

After the breakdown of my relationship with the child's mother I went
through the usual feeling sorry for myself stage (a little light
depression etc). Shortly after the breakup, and to make matters worse,
I was made redundant from my job and had to sign on the dotted line at
the job centre.

Since signing on I have had a break from unemployment for 3 months,
during which time I worked on a temporary contract for peanuts,
earning about £800 pcm for these 3 months. Shortly after finishing the
temporary job I signed on again. The CSA then phoned to say that I was
under investigation as I had been working. I explained the situation
and subsequently received a demand for proof of earnings. By return
post I sent off every wage slip I had received during the 3 months and
thought nothing more about this. That is, until I received a strong
letter saying that they wanted to interview me under caution. The CSA
say that I never sent the wage slips. I did and I made the mistake of
sending the originals. However, my employment history is easily
verifiable by both the ex-employer and the job center. I was a little
gob smacked therefore when I read the somewhat threatening letter. Had
they actually investigated this a little,they would know my
employment/unemployment details.

Personally I think this is down to a spiteful ex-partner as not so
long ago the DWP stated they had received information that I was
working whilst claiming benefit and proceeded to investigate me. I
complied thoroughly and as a result the DWP stated that after their
investigation they were satisfied that I had done nothing wrong, and
that that would be the end of the matter as far as they were
concerned. The investigator even went as far as to imply that my
assumption that my ex had made a complaint was the right assumption to
make. There seems to be a pattern developing here I think.

Anyway, what should I do now in respect of this interview under
caution and how should I do it? What rights do I have? Should I be
worried about this? Should I take legal advice?

Any replies would be gratefully received. (Preferably in this group,
but via email if necessary).

Thanks.
Fletcher
2007-10-18 17:02:52 UTC
Permalink
Don't be intimidated by this pathetic shower of little Hitlers,

First and foremost is to write and tell them that the wage slips were sent
in and the fact they don't have them is down to the inherent incompetence
within the organisation, that your entire employment/unemployment can be
fully documented by the benefits agency and your employer and that you will
be bringing a recorder and taping this interview as CSA cannot be trusted in
any activity they undertake, not even to look after original documents and
you will be bringing along a witness for your own protection in this matter.

Take the recorder and tell the friend to sit and shut up and look stern,
don't even introduce him, for all they know he might be your lawyer, your
MP, or from any one of a number of organisations etc.

When you go, take a very abrupt attitude into this meeting oh and make sure
it's anywhere except in your home do not allow these cretins into you home.
Restrict you information as far as possible in other word if a yes or no
answer will do that's what to give them. You were under no liability to
inform CSA of any change in your circumstances and well they know it too. So
you are utterly disgusted by there vile and faulse accusations and wasting
your precious time dealing with such utter nonsense.
Post by Should I be Concerned? >
Hi all,
I have recently received a letter from the CSA telling me that they
believe that I may have committed a criminal offence and that they
want to interview me under caution. As far as I am concerned they are
talking absolute bullsh*t as I have made sure I have broken no rules
and have provided all information as requested. There are a number of
issues I have to resolve, so here I am, hoping for some helpful
answers.
After the breakdown of my relationship with the child's mother I went
through the usual feeling sorry for myself stage (a little light
depression etc). Shortly after the breakup, and to make matters worse,
I was made redundant from my job and had to sign on the dotted line at
the job centre.
Since signing on I have had a break from unemployment for 3 months,
during which time I worked on a temporary contract for peanuts,
earning about £800 pcm for these 3 months. Shortly after finishing the
temporary job I signed on again. The CSA then phoned to say that I was
under investigation as I had been working. I explained the situation
and subsequently received a demand for proof of earnings. By return
post I sent off every wage slip I had received during the 3 months and
thought nothing more about this. That is, until I received a strong
letter saying that they wanted to interview me under caution. The CSA
say that I never sent the wage slips. I did and I made the mistake of
sending the originals. However, my employment history is easily
verifiable by both the ex-employer and the job center. I was a little
gob smacked therefore when I read the somewhat threatening letter. Had
they actually investigated this a little,they would know my
employment/unemployment details.
Personally I think this is down to a spiteful ex-partner as not so
long ago the DWP stated they had received information that I was
working whilst claiming benefit and proceeded to investigate me. I
complied thoroughly and as a result the DWP stated that after their
investigation they were satisfied that I had done nothing wrong, and
that that would be the end of the matter as far as they were
concerned. The investigator even went as far as to imply that my
assumption that my ex had made a complaint was the right assumption to
make. There seems to be a pattern developing here I think.
Anyway, what should I do now in respect of this interview under
caution and how should I do it? What rights do I have? Should I be
worried about this? Should I take legal advice?
Any replies would be gratefully received. (Preferably in this group,
but via email if necessary).
Thanks.
Toffee
2007-10-18 17:17:07 UTC
Permalink
I'd be concerned but not worried as you have done everything right based on
what you've written. Are you on new or old rules?

I don't know where you stand legally (or how NACSA would advise you), but
what I would do is this:

1. Speak to your job centre and get a copy of the written report of the
investigation, better if you can speak to the investigater directly if you
still have any contact details for him. Did you receive a copy of this
report as you were the subject? Also you receive letters from them to show
any changes in benefits so you should have at least confirming that your
claim ended due to starting work and then another to show your claim
restarting after you left work. You may also be able to request copies of
your benefit claim and if you can get a copy of notepad which is a list of
notes made on the jobcentre computer for your claim.

2. Speak to the company you worked for immediately and get copies of your
pay slips. If you can get them to agree, get a covering letter from them
that clearly states that you have requested copies for CSA business and that
these are replacements for ones already sent in.

3. When you get them, make copies yourself and ring to check which address
to send them to. Ask whoever you speak to to make a note of the
conversation on freetext and then ring in a little later on the pretext that
you need to check the information given and ask if a record of the
conversation has been made. If not, request that this is done and rinse
repeat as necessary. If you can, try to check this with the helpline
operators and you should hopefully get one of those by not inputting your
national insurance number. You should also check at this point if your
employer was ever input onto the computer system.

4. Make a request to see your file under the date protection act but be
aware that this may not be processed until after your interview. If it
works out before then you should be able to see if they arrived or were lost
in transit as well as any potential anomalies on the case.

Take everything you need to the interview and present them when asked. You
can be defensive in my view based on your case being messed up, but if you
can present them (again) with wage slips and the job centre report then you
are being cooperative. One thing to remember is that a Non Resident Parent
has the right to be believed and if you have and continue to state that
you've sent them in AND can present them with the information in person,
then you've done all you need to.

I'm staggered to be honest that no one appears to have either checked your
benefit history or checked with your employer as the parent with care will
presumably have told CSA where you working rather than that you were just
working. If they have all the information and the employer is cooperative
then it's all easily verifiable information and would probably take around
10 minutes.

I think I've covered everything I would do based on your circumstances as
detailed below. Is there anything you can think of that isn't included
below as it seems a bit of a waste of resources to interview you just for
that, particularly if you're now longer working. I'd understand it more if
it was jobcentre doing it as art of the investigation into whether you were
working or not, but as you say that bits gone.

Hope this helps and best of luck.
Post by Should I be Concerned? >
Hi all,
I have recently received a letter from the CSA telling me that they
believe that I may have committed a criminal offence and that they
want to interview me under caution. As far as I am concerned they are
talking absolute bullsh*t as I have made sure I have broken no rules
and have provided all information as requested. There are a number of
issues I have to resolve, so here I am, hoping for some helpful
answers.
After the breakdown of my relationship with the child's mother I went
through the usual feeling sorry for myself stage (a little light
depression etc). Shortly after the breakup, and to make matters worse,
I was made redundant from my job and had to sign on the dotted line at
the job centre.
Since signing on I have had a break from unemployment for 3 months,
during which time I worked on a temporary contract for peanuts,
earning about £800 pcm for these 3 months. Shortly after finishing the
temporary job I signed on again. The CSA then phoned to say that I was
under investigation as I had been working. I explained the situation
and subsequently received a demand for proof of earnings. By return
post I sent off every wage slip I had received during the 3 months and
thought nothing more about this. That is, until I received a strong
letter saying that they wanted to interview me under caution. The CSA
say that I never sent the wage slips. I did and I made the mistake of
sending the originals. However, my employment history is easily
verifiable by both the ex-employer and the job center. I was a little
gob smacked therefore when I read the somewhat threatening letter. Had
they actually investigated this a little,they would know my
employment/unemployment details.
Personally I think this is down to a spiteful ex-partner as not so
long ago the DWP stated they had received information that I was
working whilst claiming benefit and proceeded to investigate me. I
complied thoroughly and as a result the DWP stated that after their
investigation they were satisfied that I had done nothing wrong, and
that that would be the end of the matter as far as they were
concerned. The investigator even went as far as to imply that my
assumption that my ex had made a complaint was the right assumption to
make. There seems to be a pattern developing here I think.
Anyway, what should I do now in respect of this interview under
caution and how should I do it? What rights do I have? Should I be
worried about this? Should I take legal advice?
Any replies would be gratefully received. (Preferably in this group,
but via email if necessary).
Thanks.
Fletcher
2007-10-18 20:38:32 UTC
Permalink
Toffee, he's unemployed, why the hell should he run around getting info for
this shower of utterly useless wankers?

It's some cretin incompetent bitch that's going to try and fuck up his case
for no reason at all, just another stinking useless CSA scumbag cow having a
laugh at one of the punters, theres no case to answer here this is just more
CSA victimisation, these cunts can varify everything without leaving their
bloody office.

Don't wast your time or breath on these low life useless bastards. There's
nothing they can do about it.
Post by Toffee
I'd be concerned but not worried as you have done everything right based
on what you've written. Are you on new or old rules?
I don't know where you stand legally (or how NACSA would advise you), but
1. Speak to your job centre and get a copy of the written report of the
investigation, better if you can speak to the investigater directly if you
still have any contact details for him. Did you receive a copy of this
report as you were the subject? Also you receive letters from them to
show any changes in benefits so you should have at least confirming that
your claim ended due to starting work and then another to show your claim
restarting after you left work. You may also be able to request copies of
your benefit claim and if you can get a copy of notepad which is a list of
notes made on the jobcentre computer for your claim.
2. Speak to the company you worked for immediately and get copies of your
pay slips. If you can get them to agree, get a covering letter from them
that clearly states that you have requested copies for CSA business and
that these are replacements for ones already sent in.
3. When you get them, make copies yourself and ring to check which
address to send them to. Ask whoever you speak to to make a note of the
conversation on freetext and then ring in a little later on the pretext
that you need to check the information given and ask if a record of the
conversation has been made. If not, request that this is done and rinse
repeat as necessary. If you can, try to check this with the helpline
operators and you should hopefully get one of those by not inputting your
national insurance number. You should also check at this point if your
employer was ever input onto the computer system.
4. Make a request to see your file under the date protection act but be
aware that this may not be processed until after your interview. If it
works out before then you should be able to see if they arrived or were
lost in transit as well as any potential anomalies on the case.
Take everything you need to the interview and present them when asked.
You can be defensive in my view based on your case being messed up, but if
you can present them (again) with wage slips and the job centre report
then you are being cooperative. One thing to remember is that a Non
Resident Parent has the right to be believed and if you have and continue
to state that you've sent them in AND can present them with the
information in person, then you've done all you need to.
I'm staggered to be honest that no one appears to have either checked your
benefit history or checked with your employer as the parent with care will
presumably have told CSA where you working rather than that you were just
working. If they have all the information and the employer is cooperative
then it's all easily verifiable information and would probably take around
10 minutes.
I think I've covered everything I would do based on your circumstances as
detailed below. Is there anything you can think of that isn't included
below as it seems a bit of a waste of resources to interview you just for
that, particularly if you're now longer working. I'd understand it more
if it was jobcentre doing it as art of the investigation into whether you
were working or not, but as you say that bits gone.
Hope this helps and best of luck.
Post by Should I be Concerned? >
Hi all,
I have recently received a letter from the CSA telling me that they
believe that I may have committed a criminal offence and that they
want to interview me under caution. As far as I am concerned they are
talking absolute bullsh*t as I have made sure I have broken no rules
and have provided all information as requested. There are a number of
issues I have to resolve, so here I am, hoping for some helpful
answers.
After the breakdown of my relationship with the child's mother I went
through the usual feeling sorry for myself stage (a little light
depression etc). Shortly after the breakup, and to make matters worse,
I was made redundant from my job and had to sign on the dotted line at
the job centre.
Since signing on I have had a break from unemployment for 3 months,
during which time I worked on a temporary contract for peanuts,
earning about £800 pcm for these 3 months. Shortly after finishing the
temporary job I signed on again. The CSA then phoned to say that I was
under investigation as I had been working. I explained the situation
and subsequently received a demand for proof of earnings. By return
post I sent off every wage slip I had received during the 3 months and
thought nothing more about this. That is, until I received a strong
letter saying that they wanted to interview me under caution. The CSA
say that I never sent the wage slips. I did and I made the mistake of
sending the originals. However, my employment history is easily
verifiable by both the ex-employer and the job center. I was a little
gob smacked therefore when I read the somewhat threatening letter. Had
they actually investigated this a little,they would know my
employment/unemployment details.
Personally I think this is down to a spiteful ex-partner as not so
long ago the DWP stated they had received information that I was
working whilst claiming benefit and proceeded to investigate me. I
complied thoroughly and as a result the DWP stated that after their
investigation they were satisfied that I had done nothing wrong, and
that that would be the end of the matter as far as they were
concerned. The investigator even went as far as to imply that my
assumption that my ex had made a complaint was the right assumption to
make. There seems to be a pattern developing here I think.
Anyway, what should I do now in respect of this interview under
caution and how should I do it? What rights do I have? Should I be
worried about this? Should I take legal advice?
Any replies would be gratefully received. (Preferably in this group,
but via email if necessary).
Thanks.
Toffee
2007-10-18 22:33:41 UTC
Permalink
I don't dispute what you're saying but I think it's a better option if he
can show them up by proving that not only have they messed up but he can
provide them with everything they're looking for. I'm only talking a few
phone calls. If everyone's backs are up, it's not going to help regardless
of who's in the right. I think he can better serve his cause by not only
having a go at the incompetence on his case but by proving that he could
quite easily get the information they should have gotten in the first place.

Same thing, different method.
Post by Fletcher
Toffee, he's unemployed, why the hell should he run around getting info
for this shower of utterly useless wankers?
It's some cretin incompetent bitch that's going to try and fuck up his
case for no reason at all, just another stinking useless CSA scumbag cow
having a laugh at one of the punters, theres no case to answer here this
is just more CSA victimisation, these cunts can varify everything without
leaving their bloody office.
Don't wast your time or breath on these low life useless bastards. There's
nothing they can do about it.
Post by Toffee
I'd be concerned but not worried as you have done everything right based
on what you've written. Are you on new or old rules?
I don't know where you stand legally (or how NACSA would advise you), but
1. Speak to your job centre and get a copy of the written report of the
investigation, better if you can speak to the investigater directly if
you still have any contact details for him. Did you receive a copy of
this report as you were the subject? Also you receive letters from them
to show any changes in benefits so you should have at least confirming
that your claim ended due to starting work and then another to show your
claim restarting after you left work. You may also be able to request
copies of your benefit claim and if you can get a copy of notepad which
is a list of notes made on the jobcentre computer for your claim.
2. Speak to the company you worked for immediately and get copies of
your pay slips. If you can get them to agree, get a covering letter from
them that clearly states that you have requested copies for CSA business
and that these are replacements for ones already sent in.
3. When you get them, make copies yourself and ring to check which
address to send them to. Ask whoever you speak to to make a note of the
conversation on freetext and then ring in a little later on the pretext
that you need to check the information given and ask if a record of the
conversation has been made. If not, request that this is done and rinse
repeat as necessary. If you can, try to check this with the helpline
operators and you should hopefully get one of those by not inputting your
national insurance number. You should also check at this point if your
employer was ever input onto the computer system.
4. Make a request to see your file under the date protection act but be
aware that this may not be processed until after your interview. If it
works out before then you should be able to see if they arrived or were
lost in transit as well as any potential anomalies on the case.
Take everything you need to the interview and present them when asked.
You can be defensive in my view based on your case being messed up, but
if you can present them (again) with wage slips and the job centre report
then you are being cooperative. One thing to remember is that a Non
Resident Parent has the right to be believed and if you have and continue
to state that you've sent them in AND can present them with the
information in person, then you've done all you need to.
I'm staggered to be honest that no one appears to have either checked
your benefit history or checked with your employer as the parent with
care will presumably have told CSA where you working rather than that you
were just working. If they have all the information and the employer is
cooperative then it's all easily verifiable information and would
probably take around 10 minutes.
I think I've covered everything I would do based on your circumstances as
detailed below. Is there anything you can think of that isn't included
below as it seems a bit of a waste of resources to interview you just for
that, particularly if you're now longer working. I'd understand it more
if it was jobcentre doing it as art of the investigation into whether you
were working or not, but as you say that bits gone.
Hope this helps and best of luck.
Post by Should I be Concerned? >
Hi all,
I have recently received a letter from the CSA telling me that they
believe that I may have committed a criminal offence and that they
want to interview me under caution. As far as I am concerned they are
talking absolute bullsh*t as I have made sure I have broken no rules
and have provided all information as requested. There are a number of
issues I have to resolve, so here I am, hoping for some helpful
answers.
After the breakdown of my relationship with the child's mother I went
through the usual feeling sorry for myself stage (a little light
depression etc). Shortly after the breakup, and to make matters worse,
I was made redundant from my job and had to sign on the dotted line at
the job centre.
Since signing on I have had a break from unemployment for 3 months,
during which time I worked on a temporary contract for peanuts,
earning about £800 pcm for these 3 months. Shortly after finishing the
temporary job I signed on again. The CSA then phoned to say that I was
under investigation as I had been working. I explained the situation
and subsequently received a demand for proof of earnings. By return
post I sent off every wage slip I had received during the 3 months and
thought nothing more about this. That is, until I received a strong
letter saying that they wanted to interview me under caution. The CSA
say that I never sent the wage slips. I did and I made the mistake of
sending the originals. However, my employment history is easily
verifiable by both the ex-employer and the job center. I was a little
gob smacked therefore when I read the somewhat threatening letter. Had
they actually investigated this a little,they would know my
employment/unemployment details.
Personally I think this is down to a spiteful ex-partner as not so
long ago the DWP stated they had received information that I was
working whilst claiming benefit and proceeded to investigate me. I
complied thoroughly and as a result the DWP stated that after their
investigation they were satisfied that I had done nothing wrong, and
that that would be the end of the matter as far as they were
concerned. The investigator even went as far as to imply that my
assumption that my ex had made a complaint was the right assumption to
make. There seems to be a pattern developing here I think.
Anyway, what should I do now in respect of this interview under
caution and how should I do it? What rights do I have? Should I be
worried about this? Should I take legal advice?
Any replies would be gratefully received. (Preferably in this group,
but via email if necessary).
Thanks.
Should I be Concerned?
2008-02-13 15:51:56 UTC
Permalink
<snip all previous content under old thread>

First of, thanks for all replies and advice from the old thread. I
didn't mean to appear rude by not replying but the PC blew up and so
did I! (i.e. I needed to take some time out) It's very belated but
many thanks to those that replied. Much appreciated. On to business...

First, an update on what has happened since October last year:

As you may or may not recall the crux of my question was about being
interviewed under caution and the fact that the CSA appeared to think
I was working and earning when I was not. To begin with I tried to
understand their point of view, then I (metaphorically) blew up and my
attitude changed. So now?.. Well, I suppose that I stand in Fletchers
camp in many ways in that if I have done nothing wrong why the feck
should I allow myself to be victimised and labeled as a potential
criminal?

It maybe foolish but I did not accept their gracious offer of an
interview under caution, as nice as it was of them to ask me along.
Subsequently I apparently received a summons to attend court. This
summons could not have been sent registered post or served by hand as
it was never received, and there is no signature to say that it was
;o) Oops. As I never received it I obviously did not attend. Anyway,
as far as I was concerned I had mailed all information they requested.

Now call me foolish if you want, but I don't take accusations of being
a criminal lightly, especially when my conscience is 100% a-ok on the
matter. Why should I allow myself to be harassed, bullied and
victimised by a biased, inept and myopic CSA? F*ck 'em!

I do not owe any more than about £100 in arrears (by my calculations),
they are currently taking a fiver a week out of my JSA and I hope to
be working again very, very soon. So what should I expect next? MIB?
Fletchers Gestapo? Bailiffs? Confiscation of driving licence? For
what? For doing absolutely nothing wrong, that's what! Tossers all of
'em :)

Oh and from a recent message posted hereabouts, it's plain that
someone very close to the issue is lurking near by. Oops, no pleasure
to be gained here my dear. I'm ready for a fight! Bring it on! (BTW,
would 'she' receive notification of any court appearance?).

<Rant over>

Seriously though, what action can I expect next? If they take action
without proof (as there is none, unless of course it has been
fabricated) do I have legal redress? If so what and how? I don't
*want* to be awkward as far as the CSA are concerned, but I am not
going to just roll over at their at their every whim. I refuse point
blank to be bullied and harassed; Ever. They are in the wrong here.
100% wrong.

Oh finally, on fathers day last year I received a total of 14 calls
(unanswered) which I believe to be from a CSA investigator. Do they
record all calls made (answered or not)? If so can I access this
information.

Is this the sort of thing the NACSA would deal with on my behalf if I
pay their more than charitable fee?

Cheers all & look forward to the replies (be as harsh or as
understanding as you want!).
Fletcher
2008-02-13 16:38:32 UTC
Permalink
If your of JSA I would'nt worry about it at all, The can only take minimums
from you and £100 arrears is nothing to worry about and I would doubt you'll
hear another peep for a while, so chill out, relax, enjoy your out time
while on JSA but think about what your going to do next, ie self employment,
emigrate etc. The Gestapo will get back to you when you start earning, and
will want to reasses you and it all starts again.

Just not clear on the court stuff, did something actually go to court? if so
what and what was the outcome?

Or is the court just some little gobshite nobhead at gestapo HQ making
threats?
Post by Should I be Concerned?
<snip all previous content under old thread>
First of, thanks for all replies and advice from the old thread. I
didn't mean to appear rude by not replying but the PC blew up and so
did I! (i.e. I needed to take some time out) It's very belated but
many thanks to those that replied. Much appreciated. On to business...
As you may or may not recall the crux of my question was about being
interviewed under caution and the fact that the CSA appeared to think
I was working and earning when I was not. To begin with I tried to
understand their point of view, then I (metaphorically) blew up and my
attitude changed. So now?.. Well, I suppose that I stand in Fletchers
camp in many ways in that if I have done nothing wrong why the feck
should I allow myself to be victimised and labeled as a potential
criminal?
It maybe foolish but I did not accept their gracious offer of an
interview under caution, as nice as it was of them to ask me along.
Subsequently I apparently received a summons to attend court. This
summons could not have been sent registered post or served by hand as
it was never received, and there is no signature to say that it was
;o) Oops. As I never received it I obviously did not attend. Anyway,
as far as I was concerned I had mailed all information they requested.
Now call me foolish if you want, but I don't take accusations of being
a criminal lightly, especially when my conscience is 100% a-ok on the
matter. Why should I allow myself to be harassed, bullied and
victimised by a biased, inept and myopic CSA? F*ck 'em!
I do not owe any more than about £100 in arrears (by my calculations),
they are currently taking a fiver a week out of my JSA and I hope to
be working again very, very soon. So what should I expect next? MIB?
Fletchers Gestapo? Bailiffs? Confiscation of driving licence? For
what? For doing absolutely nothing wrong, that's what! Tossers all of
'em :)
Oh and from a recent message posted hereabouts, it's plain that
someone very close to the issue is lurking near by. Oops, no pleasure
to be gained here my dear. I'm ready for a fight! Bring it on! (BTW,
would 'she' receive notification of any court appearance?).
<Rant over>
Seriously though, what action can I expect next? If they take action
without proof (as there is none, unless of course it has been
fabricated) do I have legal redress? If so what and how? I don't
*want* to be awkward as far as the CSA are concerned, but I am not
going to just roll over at their at their every whim. I refuse point
blank to be bullied and harassed; Ever. They are in the wrong here.
100% wrong.
Oh finally, on fathers day last year I received a total of 14 calls
(unanswered) which I believe to be from a CSA investigator. Do they
record all calls made (answered or not)? If so can I access this
information.
Is this the sort of thing the NACSA would deal with on my behalf if I
pay their more than charitable fee?
Cheers all & look forward to the replies (be as harsh or as
understanding as you want!).
Should I be Concerned?
2008-02-13 17:06:30 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:38:32 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
If your of JSA I would'nt worry about it at all, The can only take minimums
from you and £100 arrears is nothing to worry about and I would doubt you'll
hear another peep for a while, so chill out, relax, enjoy your out time
while on JSA but think about what your going to do next, ie self employment,
emigrate etc. The Gestapo will get back to you when you start earning, and
will want to reasses you and it all starts again.
Just not clear on the court stuff, did something actually go to court? if so
what and what was the outcome?
Or is the court just some little gobshite nobhead at gestapo HQ making
threats?
Cheers Fletcher, here's a few facts that may answer your question:

I had a 3 month contract for a poorly paid job (lowest pay in my 25
year working life, so not work shy) from Oct 2006 - Jan 2007. I had
saved a few quid and did not want to sign on again (pride). Managed to
last for about 10 weeks without claiming JSA, but bills mounted.
Registered as self-employed on the promise of work, no work appeared,
hence no income. So I had to bite the bullet and claim JSA in April
2007.

Later in 2007 CSA(summer) investigator phoned me to say I was under
investigation. I believe they were interested in this 10 week period,
but perhaps more. My response was basically 'And?.. Income? Earning? I
wish. Look at my debt level. Look at the business account...
Inactive.'

They later said that they wanted to interview me under caution. I did
not respond (the only polite option). They issued a court summons for
January 2008. I honestly did not find this out until today. Therefore
I did not attend court. The summons apparently stated that I have
failed to respond to a request for information and that judgment may
be given in my absence. Fines may be issued. Costs may be awarded.

So, as for the outcome I cannot say yet. I am keeping an eye on the
post though!

(If it helps any I am informed that they wanted proof of income. I
sent them copies of the wage slips for Oct 06 to Jan 07. They appear
to be saying they never got them).

As for the CSA... I am beyond getting stressed about this any more.
It's a joke, but I am not laughing.

I appreciate that this situation could perhaps have been avoided by
attending the interview, but if the investigator in question actually
got off her fat arse and investigated instead of throwing mud at me
over the phone in August 2007, I may have been a little more amenable.
Not any more. My feet are firmly rooted now. And I ain't budging. I am
on a mission! :)
Post by Fletcher
Post by Should I be Concerned?
<snip all previous content under old thread>
First of, thanks for all replies and advice from the old thread. I
didn't mean to appear rude by not replying but the PC blew up and so
did I! (i.e. I needed to take some time out) It's very belated but
many thanks to those that replied. Much appreciated. On to business...
<snip>
Fletcher
2008-02-14 16:47:14 UTC
Permalink
Yeh gotcha now.

Firstly never let pride stand in the way of collecting any benefits, your a
tax payer, your entitled to them plus signing registers your pension so by
not signing you need to work 10 weeks longer to get the full pension, so for
you it's 40 years plus 10 weeks and as you see the Gestapo want to throw
accusations at you as you can't account for that time.

You really have to find out if this court thing happened, do you have
paperwork from them about it? Do you know which court?

Lastly self employment is the answer if you want to fight these cretins but
you need to get the work and for most self employed that means chaping
doors, leaflets, adverts, free work anything to get noticed but NEVER take
contract work as the Gestapo can collect the contract payment if your in
arrears also you need to avoid accountants and do self assessment as the
Gestapo can demand info from your accountants and get it.

As for their interrogation, fuck them and their demands.

Good luck with the work hunting but if your taking paid employment make sure
you'll have enough to live on after the Gestapo's cut before you accept the
job.
Post by Should I be Concerned?
On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:38:32 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
If your of JSA I would'nt worry about it at all, The can only take minimums
from you and £100 arrears is nothing to worry about and I would doubt you'll
hear another peep for a while, so chill out, relax, enjoy your out time
while on JSA but think about what your going to do next, ie self employment,
emigrate etc. The Gestapo will get back to you when you start earning, and
will want to reasses you and it all starts again.
Just not clear on the court stuff, did something actually go to court? if so
what and what was the outcome?
Or is the court just some little gobshite nobhead at gestapo HQ making
threats?
I had a 3 month contract for a poorly paid job (lowest pay in my 25
year working life, so not work shy) from Oct 2006 - Jan 2007. I had
saved a few quid and did not want to sign on again (pride). Managed to
last for about 10 weeks without claiming JSA, but bills mounted.
Registered as self-employed on the promise of work, no work appeared,
hence no income. So I had to bite the bullet and claim JSA in April
2007.
Later in 2007 CSA(summer) investigator phoned me to say I was under
investigation. I believe they were interested in this 10 week period,
but perhaps more. My response was basically 'And?.. Income? Earning? I
wish. Look at my debt level. Look at the business account...
Inactive.'
They later said that they wanted to interview me under caution. I did
not respond (the only polite option). They issued a court summons for
January 2008. I honestly did not find this out until today. Therefore
I did not attend court. The summons apparently stated that I have
failed to respond to a request for information and that judgment may
be given in my absence. Fines may be issued. Costs may be awarded.
So, as for the outcome I cannot say yet. I am keeping an eye on the
post though!
(If it helps any I am informed that they wanted proof of income. I
sent them copies of the wage slips for Oct 06 to Jan 07. They appear
to be saying they never got them).
As for the CSA... I am beyond getting stressed about this any more.
It's a joke, but I am not laughing.
I appreciate that this situation could perhaps have been avoided by
attending the interview, but if the investigator in question actually
got off her fat arse and investigated instead of throwing mud at me
over the phone in August 2007, I may have been a little more amenable.
Not any more. My feet are firmly rooted now. And I ain't budging. I am
on a mission! :)
Post by Fletcher
Post by Should I be Concerned?
<snip all previous content under old thread>
First of, thanks for all replies and advice from the old thread. I
didn't mean to appear rude by not replying but the PC blew up and so
did I! (i.e. I needed to take some time out) It's very belated but
many thanks to those that replied. Much appreciated. On to business...
<snip>
Should I be Concerned?
2008-02-14 22:13:13 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:47:14 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
Yeh gotcha now.
Firstly never let pride stand in the way of collecting any benefits, your a
tax payer, your entitled to them plus signing registers your pension so by
not signing you need to work 10 weeks longer to get the full pension, so for
you it's 40 years plus 10 weeks and as you see the Gestapo want to throw
accusations at you as you can't account for that time.
That was 25 *working* years in my last post... I'm in my 40's! :)
Post by Fletcher
You really have to find out if this court thing happened, do you have
paperwork from them about it? Do you know which court?
I assume that it went ahead, as I have now seen the original documents
(but did not lay eyes on them until after the set court date). All the
paperwork says is that I am summoned for failure to respond to a
request for information. The paperwork attached included 2 statements
from CSA bods stating that they had requested information from me, but
had not received it, along with some paperwork from the council
confirming my liability for council tax at my address. (Point: They
claim that I 'failed to respond'. I did in fact respond. They say they
did not get the information. To me that is not the same thing. Can you
see what I am getting at here. Semantics perhaps, but then again...)

And the court. Yes, I now know which one. Should I contact them
directly?

I am wondering what they hoped to achieve here. What would they have
expected from me on the day. I don't know. You do your best to be
reasonable with them, and all they do is call you a liar and a
criminal. That's what I don't like, and it's got my back up.
Post by Fletcher
Lastly self employment is the answer if you want to fight these cretins but
you need to get the work and for most self employed that means chaping
doors, leaflets, adverts, free work anything to get noticed but NEVER take
contract work as the Gestapo can collect the contract payment if your in
arrears also you need to avoid accountants and do self assessment as the
Gestapo can demand info from your accountants and get it.
As for their interrogation, fuck them and their demands.
That sums up my sentiment nicely! Personally though, after 5 years of
enduring the ex going out of her way to stop me seeing my kid and
stirring up shit at every opportunity, I would not have put it so
politely :)
Post by Fletcher
Good luck with the work hunting but if your taking paid employment make sure
you'll have enough to live on after the Gestapo's cut before you accept the
job.
Fletcher
2008-02-15 14:02:37 UTC
Permalink
You need to contact the court to find out what the situation is, the court
can hit you with up to £1,000 fine for not providing info to CSA. So find
out if its happened yet if not but it is going to happen then go get a
lawyer, if your on JSA you'll get legal aid.

Why they do this?

That's easy over the last 5 years over 25 million was paid out to these
scumbags in bonuses, it means cash in some cunts pocket.
Post by Should I be Concerned?
On Thu, 14 Feb 2008 16:47:14 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
Yeh gotcha now.
Firstly never let pride stand in the way of collecting any benefits, your a
tax payer, your entitled to them plus signing registers your pension so by
not signing you need to work 10 weeks longer to get the full pension, so for
you it's 40 years plus 10 weeks and as you see the Gestapo want to throw
accusations at you as you can't account for that time.
That was 25 *working* years in my last post... I'm in my 40's! :)
Post by Fletcher
You really have to find out if this court thing happened, do you have
paperwork from them about it? Do you know which court?
I assume that it went ahead, as I have now seen the original documents
(but did not lay eyes on them until after the set court date). All the
paperwork says is that I am summoned for failure to respond to a
request for information. The paperwork attached included 2 statements
from CSA bods stating that they had requested information from me, but
had not received it, along with some paperwork from the council
confirming my liability for council tax at my address. (Point: They
claim that I 'failed to respond'. I did in fact respond. They say they
did not get the information. To me that is not the same thing. Can you
see what I am getting at here. Semantics perhaps, but then again...)
And the court. Yes, I now know which one. Should I contact them
directly?
I am wondering what they hoped to achieve here. What would they have
expected from me on the day. I don't know. You do your best to be
reasonable with them, and all they do is call you a liar and a
criminal. That's what I don't like, and it's got my back up.
Post by Fletcher
Lastly self employment is the answer if you want to fight these cretins but
you need to get the work and for most self employed that means chaping
doors, leaflets, adverts, free work anything to get noticed but NEVER take
contract work as the Gestapo can collect the contract payment if your in
arrears also you need to avoid accountants and do self assessment as the
Gestapo can demand info from your accountants and get it.
As for their interrogation, fuck them and their demands.
That sums up my sentiment nicely! Personally though, after 5 years of
enduring the ex going out of her way to stop me seeing my kid and
stirring up shit at every opportunity, I would not have put it so
politely :)
Post by Fletcher
Good luck with the work hunting but if your taking paid employment make sure
you'll have enough to live on after the Gestapo's cut before you accept the
job.
Should I be Concerned?
2008-02-19 00:45:44 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:37 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
You need to contact the court to find out what the situation is, the court
can hit you with up to £1,000 fine for not providing info to CSA. So find
out if its happened yet if not but it is going to happen then go get a
lawyer, if your on JSA you'll get legal aid.
Cheers, for the pointer Fletcher.
Post by Fletcher
Why they do this?
That's easy over the last 5 years over 25 million was paid out to these
scumbags in bonuses, it means cash in some cunts pocket.
I like the sentiment. You definately have a way with appropriate words
:)
Should I be Concerned?
2008-02-20 22:04:49 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:37 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
You need to contact the court to find out what the situation is, the court
can hit you with up to £1,000 fine for not providing info to CSA. So find
out if its happened yet if not but it is going to happen then go get a
lawyer, if your on JSA you'll get legal aid.
I got a mail from them about this yesterday. There is no direct
reference to the court case (possibly adjourned?), they just say I
have failed to provide information under Section 14.

It's interesting to note though that they are not interested in the
dates I previously mentioned in this thread, but now state a single
date in 2003 and another in 2006, all of which has been covered with
them and more than once before. So they are now threatening me with
prosecution for not telling them what I have told them(!) and told
them on more than one occasion.

Surely they are not all deaf, illiterate cretins who fail to listen to
what you say and fail to read what you write? Then again they probably
are.

Interesting to note that they only give 14 days to respond. Is that
usual?
Post by Fletcher
Why they do this?
That's easy over the last 5 years over 25 million was paid out to these
scumbags in bonuses, it means cash in some cunts pocket.
Fletcher
2008-02-21 22:06:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Should I be Concerned?
Surely they are not all deaf, illiterate cretins who fail to listen to
what you say and fail to read what you write? Then again they probably
are.
Sadly yes they are

14 day is the norm

They are bastards and they will go ahead with this, some asswipe there will
be getting a bonus for how many victims they drag into court.

Suggest you use registerd mail when you reply, or as I said go see a lawyer
and get him to reply, on JSA you get legal aid to pay for it, just make sure
hes not a lazy slow arsed fucker, so many lawyers are just greedy lazy
cocksuckers. Lawyer shows these fucks at CSA your not kidding and so long as
your not footing the bill it's cool.
Seems the government are happy to have the tax payer underwrite 100billion
worth of BANK debt so why not your leagal fees fighting of their stinking
CSA lies?
Post by Should I be Concerned?
On Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:02:37 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
You need to contact the court to find out what the situation is, the court
can hit you with up to £1,000 fine for not providing info to CSA. So find
out if its happened yet if not but it is going to happen then go get a
lawyer, if your on JSA you'll get legal aid.
I got a mail from them about this yesterday. There is no direct
reference to the court case (possibly adjourned?), they just say I
have failed to provide information under Section 14.
It's interesting to note though that they are not interested in the
dates I previously mentioned in this thread, but now state a single
date in 2003 and another in 2006, all of which has been covered with
them and more than once before. So they are now threatening me with
prosecution for not telling them what I have told them(!) and told
them on more than one occasion.
Surely they are not all deaf, illiterate cretins who fail to listen to
what you say and fail to read what you write? Then again they probably
are.
Interesting to note that they only give 14 days to respond. Is that
usual?
Post by Fletcher
Why they do this?
That's easy over the last 5 years over 25 million was paid out to these
scumbags in bonuses, it means cash in some cunts pocket.
redmelons
2008-02-21 22:15:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Fletcher
Suggest you use registerd mail when you reply, or as I said go see a
lawyer and get him to reply
I always send a copy of all correspondence to my MP, and put 'copy to
MP' on the bottom of letters. Funnily enough I've never had the CSA
deny receiving one!
--
I'm using an evaluation license of nemo since 280 days.
You should really try it!
http://www.malcom-mac.com/nemo
Fletcher
2008-02-21 23:35:31 UTC
Permalink
Good tip, very good tip. might cost doubele postage but its cheaper than
registered and its proof pasative should they ever start that never recieved
it crap.

Also let MP see all the shit going on in CSA

Everybody should do this with every thing they post to this shower

Have a gold star red
Post by redmelons
Post by Fletcher
Suggest you use registerd mail when you reply, or as I said go see a
lawyer and get him to reply
I always send a copy of all correspondence to my MP, and put 'copy to
MP' on the bottom of letters. Funnily enough I've never had the CSA
deny receiving one!
--
I'm using an evaluation license of nemo since 280 days.
You should really try it!
http://www.malcom-mac.com/nemo
Should I be Concerned?
2008-02-27 10:25:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by redmelons
Post by Fletcher
Suggest you use registerd mail when you reply, or as I said go see a
lawyer and get him to reply
I always send a copy of all correspondence to my MP, and put 'copy to
MP' on the bottom of letters. Funnily enough I've never had the CSA
deny receiving one!
Never thought of that. Have a very good and proactive MP, so might
just follow the advice.

Now this is remarkably childish of me but it amused me so much... When
I wrote my last letter (last week) I found that my apostrophe, comma,
semi-colon, qestion mark, space and other such keys just refused to
work. Furthermore it seemed that I could only present the document
with a right to left reading order. (Well, except for the first
paragraph which stated in a LTR reading order that I could only write
in a RTL reading order). Childish? Pathetic perhaps? But by god, it
was funny to me. I thnk that I may just write my next communication
entirely in Latin or something!
Should I be Concerned?
2008-02-27 10:18:37 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:06:49 -0000, "Fletcher"
Post by Fletcher
Post by Should I be Concerned?
Surely they are not all deaf, illiterate cretins who fail to listen to
what you say and fail to read what you write? Then again they probably
are.
Sadly yes they are
14 day is the norm
A quick question...

Would that be 14 days from receipt of the demand or 14 days from the
date of posting? Only I note that in the leter from 'The Investigator
Kerry Edwards' of the Plymouth CSA office (Tel 01752 726493) I am only
given 14 days from the date of POSTING by them, and as I received the
letter 4 days AFTER this date and there were 2 weekends in between
this only actually gave me 5 working days to contact previous
employers, the DWP and others. Obviously they could not return the
information within this timescale.

Did you know that they could not even do me the courtesy of spelling
my name correctly! Tossers :)
Post by Fletcher
They are bastards and they will go ahead with this, some asswipe there will
be getting a bonus for how many victims they drag into court.
<snip>
Should I be Concerned?
2008-04-02 12:22:10 UTC
Permalink
Just an update...

As you may (or may not) recall, I was called a criminal, I was called
a liar, I was called a fraud, I was told that I *must* be interviewed
under caution (I declined to accept the invitation) and I was summoned
to court by the CSA (I didn't go).

After my failure to appear at court for failure to 'provide the
requested information' I drafted and dispatched a scathingly sarcastic
letter to the CSA 'investigator' (I use the term in its loosest
sense). I suggested that they just go away and do their job and pursue
appropriate cases and not harass innocent individuals. I gave them no
real information other than the fact that they should actually
investigate instead of harassing. I gave them a valuable clue that the
information they required could be obtained by themselves from the DWP
and the IR and requested that they follow their nose in this
direction.

Guess what? Today I received a letter thanking me for my
correspondence and politely requesting a little additional information
that they have been unable to verify for themselves (after actually
being forced into doing their job as opposed to simply slinging mud).
Furthermore they informed me that they will not now be pursuing *any*
action against me in light of the information I have given them*.

*I did not actually give them any information, I just requested that
they do what they are employed to do and stop acting the goat.

I suppose that's as close as one can get to an apology from the CSA?!

A result... For now at least.
Fletcher
2008-04-02 12:40:02 UTC
Permalink
Cool dude, you did good.

Could this be a new begining for the Gestapo?
Post by Should I be Concerned?
Just an update...
As you may (or may not) recall, I was called a criminal, I was called
a liar, I was called a fraud, I was told that I *must* be interviewed
under caution (I declined to accept the invitation) and I was summoned
to court by the CSA (I didn't go).
After my failure to appear at court for failure to 'provide the
requested information' I drafted and dispatched a scathingly sarcastic
letter to the CSA 'investigator' (I use the term in its loosest
sense). I suggested that they just go away and do their job and pursue
appropriate cases and not harass innocent individuals. I gave them no
real information other than the fact that they should actually
investigate instead of harassing. I gave them a valuable clue that the
information they required could be obtained by themselves from the DWP
and the IR and requested that they follow their nose in this
direction.
Guess what? Today I received a letter thanking me for my
correspondence and politely requesting a little additional information
that they have been unable to verify for themselves (after actually
being forced into doing their job as opposed to simply slinging mud).
Furthermore they informed me that they will not now be pursuing *any*
action against me in light of the information I have given them*.
*I did not actually give them any information, I just requested that
they do what they are employed to do and stop acting the goat.
I suppose that's as close as one can get to an apology from the CSA?!
A result... For now at least.
totally_mexico
2008-04-14 20:02:32 UTC
Permalink
Great result - don't let these morons intimidate with their
scatter-gun, computer-generated bullshit. They have no style,
no class, and absolutely no intelligence. They are a very
blunt instrument manned by the intellectual scrapings off the bottom
of the barrel, and I have absolutely zero respect for them or their
crude, malicious ways. And certainly no respect for their political
masters.

You stood your ground, you out-fought and out-smarted them -
revealing them for the morons they are, and the feebleness of
their system. I salute you for that.
Post by Fletcher
Cool dude, you did good.
Could this be a new begining for the Gestapo?
Post by Should I be Concerned?
Just an update...
As you may (or may not) recall, I was called a criminal, I was called
a liar, I was called a fraud, I was told that I *must* be interviewed
under caution (I declined to accept the invitation) and I was summoned
to court by the CSA (I didn't go).
After my failure to appear at court for failure to 'provide the
requested information' I drafted and dispatched a scathingly sarcastic
letter to the CSA 'investigator' (I use the term in its loosest
sense). I suggested that they just go away and do their job and pursue
appropriate cases and not harass innocent individuals. I gave them no
real information other than the fact that they should actually
investigate instead of harassing. I gave them a valuable clue that the
information they required could be obtained by themselves from the DWP
and the IR and requested that they follow their nose in this
direction.
Guess what? Today I received a letter thanking me for my
correspondence and politely requesting a little additional information
that they have been unable to verify for themselves (after actually
being forced into doing their job as opposed to simply slinging mud).
Furthermore they informed me that they will not now be pursuing *any*
action against me in light of the information I have given them*.
*I did not actually give them any information, I just requested that
they do what they are employed to do and stop acting the goat.
I suppose that's as close as one can get to an apology from the CSA?!
A result... For now at least.
Claire Rand
2008-04-02 21:23:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Should I be Concerned?
Just an update...
As you may (or may not) recall, I was called a criminal, I was called
a liar, I was called a fraud, I was told that I *must* be interviewed
under caution (I declined to accept the invitation) and I was summoned
to court by the CSA (I didn't go).
After my failure to appear at court for failure to 'provide the
requested information' I drafted and dispatched a scathingly sarcastic
letter to the CSA 'investigator' (I use the term in its loosest
sense). I suggested that they just go away and do their job and pursue
appropriate cases and not harass innocent individuals. I gave them no
real information other than the fact that they should actually
investigate instead of harassing. I gave them a valuable clue that the
information they required could be obtained by themselves from the DWP
and the IR and requested that they follow their nose in this
direction.
Guess what? Today I received a letter thanking me for my
correspondence and politely requesting a little additional information
that they have been unable to verify for themselves (after actually
being forced into doing their job as opposed to simply slinging mud).
Furthermore they informed me that they will not now be pursuing *any*
action against me in light of the information I have given them*.
*I did not actually give them any information, I just requested that
they do what they are employed to do and stop acting the goat.
I suppose that's as close as one can get to an apology from the CSA?!
A result... For now at least.
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